Is flat footing overrated?

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2 Wheels Less

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I'm interested in what both shorter and taller riders have to say on this. Feel free to digress as much as your attention span allows.
Plus a follow up question.
For those that are able to, how do you think you would cope if there were a few inches shaved off stilt that you call an inseam? :D
And for those that can't, how much sweeter (if any) do you think it would be if you could? 8-)
 
Being 6'3" with a 34" inseam, I've never NOT been able to flat-foot a bike. A bigger problem is that most bikes pegs are too high for me so I get horrible leg cramps and knee pain after a few hours on any bike.

I'd love to see more bikes come with adjustable seat heights and adjustable rearsets...but that adds a lot to the purchase price.
 
If I had a penny for every time I've put a foot down, felt it slip on oil/sand/gravel and not dropped the bike because I have long ass legs....

Being able to touch the ground in a number of places with the entire sole of the boot is a necessity imo. People who cannot do that tend to have big problems backing their bikes up and/or making very slow tight turns. Read: They have issues turning around on a road and parking. Personally I say being able to flat foot isn't really an option...

But then again I can straddle the tail section of most bikes without losing a nut....
 
Also...I wonder if anyone has video of people having to help sunnyjason after he got an r6 stuck in a 'ditch' that was only a couple inches deep...
 
Honestly I've never even thought about it. I'm 6'4'' I can put both feet easily on the ground with a little bend in my knees. Now that I do think about it it would definitley change the perspective of coming up to a stoplight. Or changing the ride height of a bike. Good question though.
 
Trinith said:
Also...I wonder if anyone has video of people having to help sunnyjason after he got an r6 stuck in a 'ditch' that was only a couple inches deep...


Methinks THIS is what you seek...around 20 seconds in.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7CeWTnqTJI[/youtube]
 
I'm of the shorter variety here. On a 125 Van Van I could just about get my foot flat on the ground but pushing the bike backwards etc did cause a few probs for me. I bought some height insoles for my boots which gave me an extra few inches in height and can pretty much get flat footed now, even noticed how easier it is to move the bike.
 
Man flat footing makes things SOOOO much easier! Not only can you stretch your legs and lift up waiting for lights to change but you can have that sturdy plant as others have said above when you have a little slip.
 
Hi everyone!

Well, I am a total shortarse, for a guy. I'm 5'3", 150 lbs. (probably a pebble or two in English measurement) and I have a 29" inseam. Being short affected me a lot when I first got into riding, but I am over it for the most part. It still might affect the bike I buy, but not so much that I wouldn't buy exactly what I wanted.

When I first got into bikes, I got the Ninja 250 (1999) which back then had a 29.5" seat height. It's an inch taller now, but that was a very easy bike to foot, but no flatfooting for me.

I learned that the seat height is just one factor...seat width plays a lot into how easy it is to foot a bike depending on the frame-layout and such. For instance, I had a 2005 R1 and that was very easy to foot because of the narrow, waspish waist, but the R6 from the same year was much wider at the seat due to frame spars going round the engine instead of over the top. The R6 was much harder for me to ride than the R1, oddly.

The Gixxers are narrow too, and I've had a 2007 Gixxer 600 and my current, a 2009 Gixxer 750. Very easy for me to ride with no suspension mods to make it lower. Hell, even when I get new tires I lose a tiny bit of height.

A few indignities of being short are having to move your bike around at certain times whilst off the bike, due to a lack of leg to push a bike back or move it on gravel. I also have to be very careful where I step, such as not stepping into a pothole at a stop, or even riding on the highest part of a crowned road and stepping into the 'low' areas could prove hazardous. Once all that is second-nature, it's not a big deal, but it's a big deal for the shorter rider just starting-out.

I have a whole vlog on this on my YouTube channel, called Motorcycles and the Short Rider or somesuch, where I share a lot more of my thoughts.

Great site here.

Spacep0d
 
Hey 2 Wheels Less, good topic to bring up!

I ride mostly dirt bikes so they're always tall for me, I'm 5'10 (177cm) and on the DRZ SM flat footing is fine, but with the dirt wheels (depending on the load I'm carrying) it's hit and miss between flat footing. The trick I found has been having the right weight bike for me.

Years ago I had a Triumph Tiger and although the stance wasn't too different from the DRZ the weight was hugely different, if I over-stretched I'd find myself doing the only thing I could and lowering the bike gently on the ground so I could get at it at a better angle to pick her up again, she was a heavy brute of a bike.

Similarly, I had a Suzuki GSF 600 Bandit (similar weight to the triumph), although much lower seat position, however the weight was manageable having the leg length, although that bike was horrible as I had too much weight on my wrists which effectively made the bike un-ridable for me. It's all about what works for us.
 
Trinith said:
If I had a penny for every time I've put a foot down, felt it slip on oil/sand/gravel and not dropped the bike because I have long ass legs....

Could not agree more, if it wasn't for me long legs I would have dropper the bike a few times by now.
 
If I had a penny for every time I could get both feet to touch while on my KTM then I'd have about... well crap, I'd be flat broke. I have a 32" inseam and there's no hope of ever flat footing the KTM 625 or really any true motard for that matter. It isn't a problem though with such a light bike. The deal with flat-footing bikes is all dependent on the weight of the bike. The heavier the bike is the more you need to be able to put both feet firmly on the ground. My Concours, for example, could not be safely operated in a parking lot by someone who could just barely touch with their toes. My KTM however, touching the ground is merely a point of convenience... not a necessity. It does weigh 400lbs less though...
 
DodgeRider26 said:
If I had a penny for every time I could get both feet to touch while on my KTM then I'd have about... well crap, I'd be flat broke. I have a 32" inseam and there's no hope of ever flat footing the KTM 625 or really any true motard for that matter.

You could just gain a few pounds...I had -no- problem flatfooting that bike. :P
 
Completely off topic but has anyone actually watched that whole video?? Some people in it from here! *cough* Trinith *cough*
 
funny thing is my long legs save other peoples bikes...

Was on back of mates bike and his foot slipped on diesel, so i thought it'd be acceptable to put my foot down.... which saved his bike...
 
SwearingMuffin said:
Completely off topic but has anyone actually watched that whole video?? Some people in it from here! *cough* Trinith *cough*

Everyone who's in that video was a part of this forum at some point..except for 3 that I know of.
 
Trinith said:
SwearingMuffin said:
Completely off topic but has anyone actually watched that whole video?? Some people in it from here! *cough* Trinith *cough*

Everyone who's in that video was a part of this forum at some point..except for 3 that I know of.
ahh the shutdown am i right
 
ElliotReidMD said:
During a long ride I do like being able to stand up at traffic lights.

Good lord yes! I'm 6'3" (I was 6'4" until I played lots of Rugby for far too long and conpressed 3 vertebrae ... I mourn that inch!) and if I couldn't stand up at lights I think my legs would have fallen off once or twice.

Only real embuggerance is that any bike with short seat-to-peg distance is impossible for me to ride for longer then about 10 minutes ... making it difficult for me to choose my first big (capacity) bike as all the ones I want are too small (physically)! :cry:

JB
 
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