how to deal with a crash

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mrtommygunwhite

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I thought i would create a thread on how to crash asking peoples advice on the folowing
.at the time
.just after
.dealing with the fear ie the nightmares
.and fanally the people who are out to get us the trolls
My one peice of advice is get cheaked out straght away.
 
I've been in a few. Cold tire on a tight turn. 18yr old in a GMC pickup merging right in front of me and slamming on his brakes.

At the time, for me anyways, its all instictual. Time slows way down and at the same time races. Everything happens at once and I cant remember 90% of the details. Brace for impact, try to slide, not roll.

Just after, most important thing is to get out of the way. luckily both my experiences happened in low to no traffic, but if there is traffic, you need to move yourself and the bike to avoid causing road congestion and other crashes. Also you need to get out of the way incase someone isn't paying attention and is headed in your direction phasers armed, ya know? XD

The fear got me in that I stopped taking turns at over 10mph for a week or so and even then it took even longer to get aggressive and leaned in turns. After my other wreck I started leaving much larger gaps beween me and the people in front of and beside me. I never really had any nightmares or anything but I do sometimes get goosebumps when I'm in traffic at the intersection the wreck occured. Just have to put it out of your mind and carry on. Allowing yourself to be distracted by it opens the door for repeat experiences. Think mental target fixation.

Trolls are trolls. Hindsight is 20/20. I'm glad your a genius, apply for that grant. BTW here is a bottle of lube, go **** yourself and just wait until the day you crash, I'll be here. =D
 
Why does this thread not have more comments?! This is actually a really good convo to have given all the members we've had get in wrecks lately!
 
Well during my crash everything slowed down as soon as i saw Footle swerve in front of me, i cant remember after hitting the car, i can see on the video i stagger to the roadside but i dont remember that, all i remember is checking Footle was okay walking over to him!

Just after the crash, when the adrenaline settled it all started to come to light, my advice is even if you dont feel pain, get checked properly and receive Hospital treatment if offered, the adrenaline will cover the pain and you dont always realise the full extent of your injuries.

I did have nightmares and the shock hit me when i got home, i did cry a bit when i saw my mum, i realised it could of been a whole lot worse, expect the nightmares to come, i was lucky enough to have my girlfriend with me for the few nights after, so every time i woke up she was there to comfort me! Its down to you whether you let the fear change you, i personally didnt and i will be getting back on two wheels SOON!

Trolls will be trolls, half of them probably havnt had a crash or dont have a bike, dont listen to them, look after yourself at the end of the day!
 
LittleDevilBiker said:
I did have nightmares and the shock hit me when i got home, i did cry a bit when i saw my mum, i realised it could of been a whole lot worse.
yeah i remember the crying i managed to hold it back i remember though you helped me a lot even though you had not crashed at that point here's another point talk about it with fellow bikers hopefully they will be as helpful as you where to me.
 
it's took me 16 yrs to get back on a bike after my wreck and yes it changed me
i know it has but also know someone was looking over me the day i had it
i don't remember much about it just know i got tunnel vision at around 120 mph
oil or something was on the road <<< could blame that but no it was all down to me
speed and rear wheel sliped axle twisted locking pin was missing ( did i look at the bike morning of the ride no i just jumped on and took off)
what i do remember is a tank slapper and then next thing i was in a hospital
broke leg , arm and 2 compound frature of the vertabre in my back and cracked coller bone
did i hit the pole i was next to i don't know but the guy i was with said 1 ft more and i would have been dead simple as that
now did i deal with the nightmare no i stayed away from bikes for some time
did i want to ride yes i did but could i nope cold chills everytime i got on one

this past year i got a old 79 yamaha xs400f barn find for $125 it did not run
my idea was fix it up sell it and make some money
got her running and errr well old feeling came back so moved it around the yard (slid on the grass and picked it back up )
week later did some more to it and took it around the block and down to the parking lot slow speed turns
and now i still got it and like the old girl
as it's a good runner around town
small steps but you never know i might be out for a long ride someday
and now kicks himself for not doing this 16yrs ago (i am a idiot )
 
Dealing with the nightmares is almost impossible. I had nightmares for a month after my wreck. Then one of my friends died after being run over by a truck on the dragon at a group meet. That brought them back, and they stayed back for a very long time. The only thing I ever found to work were sleeping pills, constantly thinking about other things, and staying awake. That wreck was 17 months ago, the nightmares stopped (mostly) about 5 months ago. Every now and then though...like just last night...there will be a flash of memory that rocks me to my core. That shit's hard to shake...

A serious crash on a motorcycle causes PTSD, plain and simple. It's something that's pretty much incurable, sometimes it goes away, sometimes it doesn't. I have a damn good friend who did 3 tours between Iraq and Afghanistan, he never admitted it until I sat his ass down at dinner one night and told him that after what I went through there's no way he doesn't have some issues. Then he started talking about it and that helped immensely. I think most of the problem with PTSD is that people who suffer don't want to talk about it, and those who don't suffer don't have a clue what it's like. Finding someone you can talk to who honestly gets it..that's golden. Good luck with that part, it makes dealing with a lifelong problem a whole lot easier.
 
At the time

The most important thing is to make sure you concentrate on yourself; forget about everyone else because they can wait. Your safety and the prevention of further injury is paramount. The number of people I had coming up to me asking if I could move out of the way to get traffic moving again was utterly ridiculous. I don't quite think they understood what just happened. If you need to stay smack bang (apologies for the term) in the middle of the road, then so be it.

Don't let anyone do anything that you find uncomfortable. Move and act on your own terms and not on someone else's. God bless everyone who tries to help but in reality, half the time, they make things worse.

Ohh...and make sure you get a video of it. Mucho views on Youtube! Mine's up to 54K now, I believe :lol:

Funnily enough, if I had gone straight round to the girlfriend's like I said I would, then none of this would have happened!

just after

Hindsight will kick in almost straight away. It's a bitch but it's a natural reaction. You'll ask yourself whether there was something you could have done differently; maybe a different line into the bend, slowing down a little more beforehand, looking further ahead etc. You cannot let it rule you because no matter what anybody says, you have no idea what's going to happen in the future. You can take all the precautions necessary but life will still find a way to sting you in the arse. RE: my crash. Yes, I could have slowed down a little more once I saw both lorries at that junction. I could have anticipated the driver pulling across me a little quicker. By slowing down, I could have tried to chuck it left and around. The fact of the matter is that I didn't. No matter how many scenarios I run through in my head, there was nothing I could do about the timing of the driver's decision to initiate his manoeuvre. Even if I had slowed down and chucked it left, who's to say that the driver wouldn't have continued his turn? That would mean that I still would have made contact. I could have even gone straight into the red lorry.

Shock will probably be hitting you big time by now. Adrenaline will be pumping around pretty f****** quickly as well. It's a well known fact that these kind of things can mask pain or injuries so take it easy and be careful. Your emotional state will be off the scales so if you want to cry, then cry. If you want to shout, swear and call yourself all the names under the sun, go for it.

dealing with the fear; i.e. the nightmares

My mental state is messed up. I've been "lucky" that I've not had any nightmares but I keep replaying the collision over and over again in my mind; no matter how hard I try to remember, I still don't know what happened between the point of impact and me being on the ground with the Triumph on top of me. I've burst into tears on numerous occasions; most recently whilst I was at work. I was sorting some stock out in the cellar and I just felt completely overwhelmed. I have had next to no sleep for the last two weeks which has meant that I've been groggy, tired and a right bastard to be around. I've considered some sleeping pills just to let my body catch up with everything but so far , I've not got round to it :roll:

I've talked to my Mum and my girlfriend about the incident but it's been difficult to fully explain things because neither of them have been involved in something like this. I want to talk about it and I want people to talk to me about it because it helps a lot but it's still hard to put across my exact feelings.

I know I want to be riding and I know that I want another Triumph Street Triple but my opinions on riding have dramatically changed.

and finally the people who are out to get us; the trolls

Fuck them. That is all.
 
LDR said:
I've considered some sleeping pills just to let my body catch up with everything but so far , I've not got round to it :roll:

Get some melatonin pills, small ones. It's a supplement, not a sleep aid or sleeping pill and it's a natural substance that your body produces. Works great, cheap as hell, and the only side-effect is groggyness if you don't actually sleep 8hrs or so.
 
As for getting checked out:

When I got hit by the truck the frame slider took alot of the impact but once it buckled his bumper did catch my leg. It got ripped off the foot peg and the back of my leg hit the passenger peg. When I got off the bike (kept it up and pulled into a parking lot) I was limping because as it turns out the rear peg had cut through my jeans and into my leg a bit. Hurt like a b****. I wish I had gone to the hospital (literally .2 miles away, happened at an intersection with a gas station, restaurant, walgreens, and hospital) to get it looked at. Ended up hurting for a week, just a little throb but it might have gotten his insurance company to pay up.

Even if it is a minor injury get it looked at. Helps the recovery and the chances of getting payed!
 
OKMotorsporter47 said:
As for getting checked out:

When I got hit by the truck the frame slider took alot of the impact but once it buckled his bumper did catch my leg. It got ripped off the foot peg and the back of my leg hit the passenger peg. When I got off the bike (kept it up and pulled into a parking lot) I was limping because as it turns out the rear peg had cut through my jeans and into my leg a bit. Hurt like a b****. I wish I had gone to the hospital (literally .2 miles away, happened at an intersection with a gas station, restaurant, walgreens, and hospital) to get it looked at. Ended up hurting for a week, just a little throb but it might have gotten his insurance company to pay up.

Even if it is a minor injury get it looked at. Helps the recovery and the chances of getting payed!
i heard they charge if you don't have insurance,how much can they charge you?
 
At the time:
Enjoy it! Seriously. Crashing is a Hell of a lot of fun! I remember my first ever crash (highsided my TZR going towards a roundabout), and when I was flying in mid-air I saw the astonished faces of two Policemen in their car coming towards me! :mrgreen:

Or sliding down the road at high speed once you've come off.

Or locking both wheels of my RGV250R for the 4th time, totally sideways, as I tried to avoid the huge spikey truck that had pulled out and stalled in the road ahead, and then getting flipped off and between the wheels of the truck.

Sure, it hurts, but in that moment, and looking back afterwards, it's a unique experience. WHEEEEEEEE!!! :D

The only worry I've had is to try and keep my helmet from smashing against the road (they're expensive!), and if you know you're going to flip or roll get your limbs in so they don't flail about and come off.

Just after:
Yeah, it's not so brilliant from here on in. My first thought is normally "Nooooo - not my bike!!!" and getting to is ASAP to pick it up and assess the damage.

Next it'll be what's missing from me. If it's a bad one (actually, you should ALWAYS do this first) just stay the fk down. Have a nice lie down for a while and see if you're still breathing. Have a little bit of a gentle wiggle to see if anything hurts. Then have a look and hope your toes aren't in front of your visor, or anything daft.

If you're not hurt, then try and control any rage so you don't rip someone out of their car window and beat them to death with their own gouged-out eyeballs.

A car pulled out on me on an island, and I banked it over and thudded into the side of her, somehow staying upright and still on the bike (which was written off for front suspension damage). I was -ing livid, and have absolutely no doubt I'd have pounded the dumb bints face so badly she'd look like a dropped pasty. Luckily, she only stopped about 50 yards down the road, and I'd have looked pretty damned stupid running all that way just to get to her. I shouted lots, though.

Dealing with the fear, i.e. the nightmares
This can be bad, but remember they ARE just nightmares! Afterwards I'd often jump off the bloody bed thinking I'd crashed again, or locked the front etc.

I do think it's good to get back on a bike ASAP, but when you do you should take it easy, rather than going at it full-on straight away. It'll take a while to build up your confidence again.

Weirdly, BEFORE a few of my crashes I've had dreams for a few weeks before it happened. Like dreams of losing the front on the brakes before someone did a U-turn and I did indeed lock up the front and go down.

In that crash, back in January 2008, that is all I remember. I was filtering, saw a cars wheels turn before he immediatley floored it and pulled out. I hit the brakes HARD, remember losing the front (not that I had a chance of stopping at that distance).... and then I was sliding down the road on my back. I even remember trying to hold my head up (it was a Shoei!) and just giving up, letting my head drop because I figured I was probably an ambulance case.

How did I get through a solid car? Did my body actually hit the car? I have no idea, and to be honest I'm not sure I really want to have that memory come back...

Oh, and remember your adrenaline will be through the roof after a crash, and you may not notice broken ribs and stuff for hours afterwards. Get theeself to hospital if there's any doubt (a chest impact could do heart damage that will kill you hours or days later etc). And remember you WILL be in serious pain the next day, even if you think you feel fine at the time.

And finally the people who are out to get us - the trolls:
They're not! They're all just regular people who have brain-dead moments.

Take a walk around a supermarket and note how people park their trolleys in the most stupid and selfish places, or push them without any kind of awareness of their surroundings. That's pretty much how most people drive.
 
ive broken wrists, thigh bone, shoulder and nose and the first thing i wanted to do was to get back on the bike asap. we all know the dangers of riding instead of being a warm little cager trundling along but thats why we do it eh?

crashing is usually such a stressful experience that youll most likely repress the worst of the memories which is why they do come out in your dreams as nightmares and by accepting its happened, thinking about every little detail even if it stresses you out is the best way to understand what happened and why.

if youre gonna make a mistake, make it the god damn best mistake youve ever made. it sucks, but chicks dig scars.
 
At the time:
"hello ground, are you going to be my friend? "
seriously first thought after coming to a stop was "I'm in the road in a bad spot... get the fsck out of the way".. once I was out of the road it was time to do a self check.. look over myself and feel out where the pain is.. once I was convinced I was "ok" then tend to the bike... kill switch, stand it up. curse.. look it over for damage... curse more... curse again in case I forgot a word. rinse, lather, repeat. I was more mad then scared or freaked out.

Later:
got looked at by an EMT ..(ok, it was my boss, but he is a emt) .. did follow up with my sis in law (also EMT) basically making sure nothing hidden popped up, and to check on my knee.
deal with logistics (getting me and bike home, figuring out insurance/ repair etc)

Dealing with the fear ie the nightmares:
oddly enough.. there is no fear... I was afraid of crashing BEFORE the crash... now I know what its like its like.... well ...ok then... got that out of the way.
and I haven't had any nightmares (well not about the bike anyway)

as for the trolls... roll with the punches.. laugh it off. and move on.. (a lot of the guys at work have been on me because of the video being on youtube.)
 
I have a huge fear of fate at writing this, that he may be listening.

Well, I've been riding for over 17 years now and have had 6 low speed incidents, lucky for me non of them were serious although a few really hurt with bruising.

The first was when i'd just started riding and i was barreling down the road on my TZR125.
There was an off camber bend at the bottom oh the hill and i wad going too fast to make it, i panicked and target fixated, at the same time i locked the fro t wheel and low sided over a large patch of gravel, which made my jacket ride up and gave me a nice gravel rash.
The bike just had damaged fairings, bent handle bars and a stuck gear lever.
I got straight back on although very shakey and hurting.

The last time was around 5 years ago when i locked the front wheel in the wet on my 1973 GT380.
An idiot just walked out onto a crossing leaving me nowhere to go, so i breaked really hard and the front wheel gave from under me and i went down like a lead weight.
That one really hurt and i had a week off work with bruised ribs and knees.

The things that i always remember about the crashes are ,
Firstly thinking 'oh fuck! This is gonna hurt' and then the accidents really do unfold in slow motion, it does feel though like you aren't really part of it, if youknow what i mean? Like it's a dream, but only until around 1/2 hour afterwards.

It's given me a few issues mentally, like getting really twitchy about when cagers barrel up to the junctions on side streets and also i'm really very nervous about wet or damp roads, stupidly so ;-(

The weirdest fear/phobia thati've developed over the past few years is that i have a fear of travelling in cars!??
I know it's because if i'm a passenger, i can't swearve out of the wayif there's something that could be dangerous on a bike, that happens when in tbe car.

I'm fine if i'm on my bike(ish), but it's scarey for me not to be in total control in a road situation .
I find myself doing weird shit like pressing the imaginary break pedals on the passenger's side and bracing for impacts and stuff, also shouting out in alarm if i feel there's something gone unnoticed by the cage driver that you'd spot on your bike.
Weird really!

I'm not put off riding though, so long as i have the reigns.

I must say though that i'm a safer rider for the accidents, just a shame you have to learn that way really.

There's a saying "Some people are prepared to learn from other people's mistakes, others will urinate on the electric fence and will find out for themselves", ride safe, live long! ;-)
 
I've only crashed once so far and that was on track, pushing it too much in the wet. I high sided and landed on my head. All I remember thinking at the time was 'oh-fffffffuu..' and then wallop. Not much I could do. I remember being like a cat thats been hit by a car, springing up, dashing a few metres and then collapsing again on the grass. The paramedics looked after me well and got me back to the medical centre for a check up. My vision was blurry as hell. Despite leathers I had a scraped forearm and index finger where my gloves split. I didn't have any hip protectors in my leathers so ended up with a nasty purple leg and some deep tissue/bone pain that hung around for months.

As for how to deal with it I'm not sure. Just get back on board asap and quit feeling sorry for yourself. I was gutted at the time. "I'm never doing a track day again" I said, followed by plenty of bikers coming up to me and all telling me they'd crashed and vowed never to come back. But here they were.

The only advice I can give is don't crash. Failing that, don't crash into anything hard. Ride safe :)
 
Drobium77 said:
The weirdest fear/phobia thati've developed over the past few years is that i have a fear of travelling in cars!??

I don't like being a passenger in cars, either. I suppose I'm ok with being pootled around, but if the drivers is getting a bit of a move on, I don't like that at all.

Which may well be a slight problem in a months time! I'm taking my ARDS National B race license test, and part of that is being driven around Silverstone by some mentalist instructor showing me what to do! :?
 
NastyEvilNinja said:
Drobium77 said:
The weirdest fear/phobia thati've developed over the past few years is that i have a fear of travelling in cars!??

I don't like being a passenger in cars, either. I suppose I'm ok with being pootled around, but if the drivers is getting a bit of a move on, I don't like that at all.

Which may well be a slight problem in a months time! I'm taking my ARDS National B race license test, and part of that is being driven around Silverstone by some mentalist instructor showing me what to do! :?
See , i'd probably be ok with that coz it wouldn't be on public roads.
It's the cagers that freak me out.
 
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