CurlyBlakey
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epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/27455
epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/27455
e-petition against 2013 bike law changes
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Jestington
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Signed and re-tweeted!
Mikesmotorbike
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signed
MysteriousVlogger
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Done and Done.
Was looking at other petitions on there and I came across this and laughed
http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/1303
Was looking at other petitions on there and I came across this and laughed
http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/1303
LeedsRider93
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Signed.
SqueakyBrakes12
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Very happily signed!
Chuckles85
Wannabie Member
It doesn't affect me, also I believe it s a good idea to get young riders road experience before getting a big bike. Just because you can get into a ferrari after passing your driving test doesn't mean it should be the same for a bike. Also a £2000 bike is like many high performance cars and much more affordable so, yes I agree with making riding safer.
CurlyBlakey
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I've only done the CBT and my test, i consider myself a perfectly safe biker, i also distinctly remember being on a 125 (you did DAS chuckles if i remember?) for a long period of time, and i can safely say that i am actually safer on the bandit than the ybr for many reasons already discussed.
The changes will only limit the number of new riders, which will limit the income of biking related industries meaning the knock on effect has the potential to be huge!
The changes will only limit the number of new riders, which will limit the income of biking related industries meaning the knock on effect has the potential to be huge!
Friz
HereComeDatFriz
I agree with Blake!
Everyone has accepted this current test now. It's silly, but this newer one is even worse.
At least with the current test you can say you'be had experience on a bike before jumping on a huge one (unless you do das) but at the same time that restriction period isn't huge and complicated enough to make you think twice about starting it in the first place.
What with added test money and time before you are free of it.
I got a text off the girl I'm seeing at the moment the other day, asking me about these changes. We're going through the stuff to get her test done at the moment before the changes come in next year.
she asked me why, if she were to fail the full bike test, they could possibly still allow her to ride on the road under a CBT since failing the bike test means your not safe to be out there.
Sorry, gone a bit off topic. Rant over.
Everyone has accepted this current test now. It's silly, but this newer one is even worse.
At least with the current test you can say you'be had experience on a bike before jumping on a huge one (unless you do das) but at the same time that restriction period isn't huge and complicated enough to make you think twice about starting it in the first place.
What with added test money and time before you are free of it.
I got a text off the girl I'm seeing at the moment the other day, asking me about these changes. We're going through the stuff to get her test done at the moment before the changes come in next year.
she asked me why, if she were to fail the full bike test, they could possibly still allow her to ride on the road under a CBT since failing the bike test means your not safe to be out there.
Sorry, gone a bit off topic. Rant over.
Bloke
Wannabie Member
Re: Re: e-petition against 2013 bike law changes
By that same logic you should be agreed with the changes in licencing. Now young riders will be given ample opportunity to gain experience on powerful (more than the current restriction) but not stupidly powerful motorbikes.
Removes the danger associated with a 125, while putting in a formal process for the progression of new riders.
It'll also encourage the 300-500cc market which until now had died a death in the UK.
It's a good idea all round.
Only possible argument i'd have against it is the lack of controls when you look at car licencing, but given the theory test is changing I doubt it'll be long.
Anyone who cried over the last change, shouldn't be riding imo. Folks crying over this change don't understand what they're being given.
No longer 33bhp, it's going to be upped to 45bhp is it not?
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CurlyBlakey said:
By that same logic you should be agreed with the changes in licencing. Now young riders will be given ample opportunity to gain experience on powerful (more than the current restriction) but not stupidly powerful motorbikes.
Removes the danger associated with a 125, while putting in a formal process for the progression of new riders.
It'll also encourage the 300-500cc market which until now had died a death in the UK.
It's a good idea all round.
Only possible argument i'd have against it is the lack of controls when you look at car licencing, but given the theory test is changing I doubt it'll be long.
Anyone who cried over the last change, shouldn't be riding imo. Folks crying over this change don't understand what they're being given.
No longer 33bhp, it's going to be upped to 45bhp is it not?
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CurlyBlakey
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Re: Re: e-petition against 2013 bike law changes
Yes, but you're stuck on a 125 until 19, that's a whole two years more than you potentially can atm! most people only spend about a year on a 125!
Bloke said:
Yes, but you're stuck on a 125 until 19, that's a whole two years more than you potentially can atm! most people only spend about a year on a 125!
Chessecake94
Wannabie Member
Being on a 125 doesn't stop cars pulling out, and you can still take a lot of corners at the same speed. This is just the government trying to stop people riding bikes, because they don't no how else to bring down the casualty rates.
Mikesmotorbike
Wannabie Member
to you two saying it's not a concern of yours (not ranting you're allowed your own opinion) it still seems a shame. To be honest, probably not a concern to me either as I'm doing my big bike license here in France. But still, we have to support future bikers.
AZZ3R
Wannabie Member
I agree with chuckles & bloke, the way I see it is their 'prepping' you for a bigger bike (so to speak).
Now, the new licence goes.
16+ - CBT.
17+ - A1 licence allowing a full licence up to 125cc.
19+ - A2 licence allowing a full licence up to 400cc.
24+ - A (Direct Access) licence allowing a full licence for any motorcycle.
When turing 17 you are allowed a 33bhp bike, so not like what it is at the moment where a 125 has to be 15bhp.Their giving you more power lower down the licence order, if you now feel like you have a bigger/ more road presence than you did on your 125 then you bought the wrong 125 for them reasons.
My Rs125 I could stand it next to a BMWR1100S (which I did) & the only difference was length & bar height. My seat was higher giving me more vision over the other cars.
I have been on a YZF125-R & I have rode a R6 the only difference is speed, the feeling of power & more planted on the M/way. No difference in size (to the naked eye), seat height is the same if not the 125 is higher. & not many people use the M/way even when they have passed their test.
People are just thinking 'Test,Test,Test' it's not, it's training. By the time you've hit 19 you've worked up 3y's NCB, by the time your ready for a full powered bike you have 5y's NCB < thus insurance being alot cheaper due to the amount of NCB earnt. I know I'd rather have more y'sNCB than just getting on a bigger bike and paying through the nose for it.
Instead of everyone getting worked up about it & arguing the facts, I'd suggest someone asks Nottingham Roadcraft to join this thread, because I'd say he would know alot more about it than any of us. (unless someone else is an instructor).
Now, the new licence goes.
16+ - CBT.
17+ - A1 licence allowing a full licence up to 125cc.
19+ - A2 licence allowing a full licence up to 400cc.
24+ - A (Direct Access) licence allowing a full licence for any motorcycle.
When turing 17 you are allowed a 33bhp bike, so not like what it is at the moment where a 125 has to be 15bhp.Their giving you more power lower down the licence order, if you now feel like you have a bigger/ more road presence than you did on your 125 then you bought the wrong 125 for them reasons.
My Rs125 I could stand it next to a BMWR1100S (which I did) & the only difference was length & bar height. My seat was higher giving me more vision over the other cars.
I have been on a YZF125-R & I have rode a R6 the only difference is speed, the feeling of power & more planted on the M/way. No difference in size (to the naked eye), seat height is the same if not the 125 is higher. & not many people use the M/way even when they have passed their test.
People are just thinking 'Test,Test,Test' it's not, it's training. By the time you've hit 19 you've worked up 3y's NCB, by the time your ready for a full powered bike you have 5y's NCB < thus insurance being alot cheaper due to the amount of NCB earnt. I know I'd rather have more y'sNCB than just getting on a bigger bike and paying through the nose for it.
Instead of everyone getting worked up about it & arguing the facts, I'd suggest someone asks Nottingham Roadcraft to join this thread, because I'd say he would know alot more about it than any of us. (unless someone else is an instructor).
AZZ3R
Wannabie Member
Bikermole said:
Thats only if you go to a dealer where they usually lie through their a*s just for you to buy it, ohh yea we'll throw in 3months gearbox warranty don't worry. Yet your gearbox will/should last more than 5years+.
Evilbay is where you want to look, or all these other sites.
I wouldn't buy from a dealer unless it was brand spankin' new with 12months warranty, + buying a new bike devalues about £1k as soon as you've bought it so when you come to sell it you'd be lucky to get half back unless it was just left in the garage & rode very lightly.
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